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  Do we blame the Governing Body too much?

  by no-zombie in

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  i'd like to start this post with a part from the movie 'v for vendetta'.

  here in a dystopian state, the main character named v, explains why things have gone so bad ....

  those who do not want us to speak.

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  Black Sheep

  After Harold Camping's last failed attempt at predicting the Rapture he repented for his sinful predictions and gave up the prediction game instead of reworking his predictions once again,

  All of the Watchtower leaders that have made asses of themselves over the decades, (as Rutherford put it after the Ancient Worthies didn't show up for him), could have done the same, but they chose not to.. If they had eaten some humble pie and admitted that they weren't Jehovah's Channel and that it was them who were guilty of 'running ahead of Jehovah', (not the any of the rank & file who disagreed with them), then you could blame any followers that still chose to follow them. The leaders all had numerous opportunities to do that but most of them chose to carry on the scam, so don't blame their victims.
  
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  Why do JW apostates tend to be activists against the religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  j. arden writes.

  first of all an apostate is literally just someone who left.

  most jws are technically apostates from the religions they were raised in.

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  Black Sheep

  Being an activist is a bad idea if you want to have any chance of getting your friends and family out. Once they know that you are wearing an Apostate Badge, they are protected from your influence by Borg installed fear.
  

  To be able to have a sensible discussion with a JW friend or family member, you have to do it without triggering their Apostate Alarm. E.g., create doubts by asking them a question to get them to do research and report back to you with their answer, rather than supplying them with information that they don't/won't want to hear.

  Less is more. Don't inundate them with questions as that gives them the opportunity to only answer the low hanging fruit. Pick a problem question that is important to them, (not you), and get them to promise to get back to you with an answer. When they get back to you, don't let them morph your question into another question/subject that suits them better. If they do try to weasel their way out of answering your question, give them a guilt trip for trying and insist on a sensible answer to your original question.

  Play the innocent, inquisitive, person at all times, but gently point out any logical fallacies, bible/WT contradictions, etc. that they try to use. They need to feel some guilt for trying to fool you.
  
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  What happens when people are shunned from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  by Black Sheep in

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  2. scandals

  an article on rnz, a news site in new zealand.. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil.

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  Black Sheep

  My father, inadvertently, said things to cause me enough cognitive dissonance for me to not get baptized before Jesus and Jehovah and their minions on Space Horses, etc., threw little girls down cracks in the ground etc.,around 1975.

  There wasn't much enthusiasm for harassing faders after the 1975 debacle,, especially if they were not even baptized.
  

  I've never been shunned by my family or extended family, but I don't make waves by openly trying to de-convert the 'faithful'.
  

  The best thing I never did was get baptized.

  For maintaining any kind of half decent, (but it will still be dysfunctional), relationship with your JW family, If you have any doubts at all, I strongly recommend not getting baptized,
  
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  What happens when people are shunned from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  by Black Sheep in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  an article on rnz, a news site in new zealand.. https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil.

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  An article on RNZ, a news site in New Zealand.
  

  https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/in-depth-special-projects/story/2018901718/something-evil
  
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Black Sheep

  There something very weird about the software used by this forum. I hope I just happened to try to post when it was having a bad day.
  
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  How many languages do you know of that don't have words that distinguish a ball from a disk, or sphere from a circle?
  
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  Were Bible writers flat earthers?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  job 26:7 he stretches out the northern sky over empty space, well should it be the southern that has empty space under it?.

  the north pole has the earth under it?.

  the south pole has empty space under it?.

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  Black Sheep

  It's a bit of a stretch to conclude that their word for 'circle' was used because they didn't have a word available that described a sphere or a ball. Can you think of any language that doesn't have different words to describe disks and balls?
  
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  If You Can Remember When This Was Displayed in the KH - You Ain't No Spring Chicken!

  by mikronboy in

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  Black Sheep

  I remember them.
  
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  Witnesses were Anti vaccine till 1950!

  by Witness 007 in

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  "brother mcmillan wrote "faith on the march" about his wonderful life at bethel.

  he wrote of an incident in 1943 where a group of witnesses in jail for refusing military service were against getting vaccinated and he came to the rescue visiting them and telling them it was ok. the reason for this was "the golden age" magazine in the 1920's describes vaccines as puss filled poison...so they were following their watchtower training..

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  Black Sheep

  In the early 60s, my father asked the Society if it was OK to be vaccinated before we went to where 'The Need Was Great'. It was OK'd by the Society, so we were vaccinated and went,.

  In hindsight, none of his converts were saved from anything that the Society was saying his god was going to do, Look up the pictures in the Paradise book.
  

  Many of his converts have passed away at ages much younger than Dad was telling them that they would reach, "in this wicked system of things."
  
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  Is a belief in GOD only found in the Bible ? Of course not .what about all of the other religious sects? Do they not count ???

  by smiddy3 in

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  the world is made up of many religions christian and otherwise .. whose to say which religion is more superior than another religion ?

  or has the approval of a god ?.

  none that i can think of.. since humans have been on earth god has kept silent as to who represents him , if any at all..

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  Black Sheep

  Kids trust what their parents teach them until they reach the age where they can compute that it doesn't add up. By then, most kids don't have what it takes to call out their parents on their beliefs, so going along with the teachings of whatever cult their parents belonged to is easier than bailing out and being shunned by their family and friends for doing that.